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	<title>Comments on: U.S. vs. China healthcare: You decide</title>
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		<title>By: Tim Gingrich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Gingrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 14:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your input. This is such an important issue for any society, and I wish the public debate in America had been characterized by people sharing their honest opinion and constructive ideas like you have -- rather than resorting to name calling, which is how it turned out unfortunately. Anyway, just to set the record clear, China does not have universal healthcare. The system in China is very much the way America was/is: you pay cash unless you have insurance that you purchase or is provided by your employer. It is other democratic countries in Europe where tax payer money supports universal healthcare. That&#039;s why I think it&#039;s inaccurate when people claim universal healthcare is &quot;communist&quot; or &quot;socialist&quot; or whatever -- the fact of the matter is that most post-industrial democracies other than America have some form of universal healthcare, and America does too in the form of Medicare/Medicaid. There&#039;s nothing more &quot;communist&quot; about that than public libraries. Also, I think that the Chinese healthcare system has a long way to go, but I&#039;m just saying that a CAT scan costs US$50 here, so even if you don&#039;t have insurance it won&#039;t cause you to lose your house. Anyway, thanks again for your comment. This has been a hot topic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your input. This is such an important issue for any society, and I wish the public debate in America had been characterized by people sharing their honest opinion and constructive ideas like you have &#8212; rather than resorting to name calling, which is how it turned out unfortunately. Anyway, just to set the record clear, China does not have universal healthcare. The system in China is very much the way America was/is: you pay cash unless you have insurance that you purchase or is provided by your employer. It is other democratic countries in Europe where tax payer money supports universal healthcare. That&#8217;s why I think it&#8217;s inaccurate when people claim universal healthcare is &#8220;communist&#8221; or &#8220;socialist&#8221; or whatever &#8212; the fact of the matter is that most post-industrial democracies other than America have some form of universal healthcare, and America does too in the form of Medicare/Medicaid. There&#8217;s nothing more &#8220;communist&#8221; about that than public libraries. Also, I think that the Chinese healthcare system has a long way to go, but I&#8217;m just saying that a CAT scan costs US$50 here, so even if you don&#8217;t have insurance it won&#8217;t cause you to lose your house. Anyway, thanks again for your comment. This has been a hot topic!</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 12:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never been to China. In the U.S the waiting room in the E.R is always over crowded and 5 hours if probably standard for any minor E.R Visit. There are no upfront payments and I have never been denied coverage for lack of insurance or otherwise. 

My Buddy has a wife from China and their experience in China is that Health-Care is free paid for by the additional taxes. So I was suprised when you mentioned insurance in China, but possibly this is only for E.R visits. Also their belief that you cannot be turned down for treatment or coverage in China like you can here in the U.S for the most serious of issues like in the well known movie &quot;John Q&quot; where his son is denied a heart transplant because lack of insurance and money.

My issue with Government Health Care is that I don&#039;t believe I should have to pay the same taxes when I go to the Doctor maybe once in 5 years as someone who may go 12 times a year. That doesn&#039;t seem like a fair way to do it, but at the same time I don&#039;t think the right to live and die and treatment should ever be determined by the amount of money you have and nobody should be refused treatment when a treatment is available. 

Maybe a fair way to do it would be to calculate all your doctor visits over the year and deduct your tax return and modify your personal income tax rate by how much you owe. &quot;Just one possible solution&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never been to China. In the U.S the waiting room in the E.R is always over crowded and 5 hours if probably standard for any minor E.R Visit. There are no upfront payments and I have never been denied coverage for lack of insurance or otherwise. </p>
<p>My Buddy has a wife from China and their experience in China is that Health-Care is free paid for by the additional taxes. So I was suprised when you mentioned insurance in China, but possibly this is only for E.R visits. Also their belief that you cannot be turned down for treatment or coverage in China like you can here in the U.S for the most serious of issues like in the well known movie &#8220;John Q&#8221; where his son is denied a heart transplant because lack of insurance and money.</p>
<p>My issue with Government Health Care is that I don&#8217;t believe I should have to pay the same taxes when I go to the Doctor maybe once in 5 years as someone who may go 12 times a year. That doesn&#8217;t seem like a fair way to do it, but at the same time I don&#8217;t think the right to live and die and treatment should ever be determined by the amount of money you have and nobody should be refused treatment when a treatment is available. </p>
<p>Maybe a fair way to do it would be to calculate all your doctor visits over the year and deduct your tax return and modify your personal income tax rate by how much you owe. &#8220;Just one possible solution&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: John McGrath</title>
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		<dc:creator>John McGrath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 17:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad i found you on Twitter.

I have had two US hospital experiences in my 70 years:

1. On Christmas Eve I had a bursitis attack in both my shoulders. Walk-in private emergency services closed, I went to a hospital. A cortisone shot at that time in the private walk-in service would have cost $25 each. The Emergency room bill came to $1065. Yet the conservatives advocate that we have &quot;universal health care&quot; because anyone can go to a non-profit hospital and get care. Then they complain about the cost of health, which is swollen by unnecessary visits to ERs.

2. I had an operation. Went home, got a blood clot in lung. That is, I figured that was the problem, took a shower, called doctor, he agreed and said to get a cab and rush to the emergency room (he had a surgery scheduled). He called to say they should admit me. I went to the desk, gave my name, doctor&#039;s name, and said I had a blood clot in my lung. Problem: I looked really healthy, no bleeding, felt just fine as long as I did not lie down. Four hours later I was asked, in a sarcastic tone, &quot;Why are you here?&quot; I said &quot;Blood clot in lung.&quot; The person snorted with skepticism, &quot;How do you know?&quot; &quot;My doctor said so.&quot; Finally they let me see a doctor, who informed me that I probably just had a touch of pneumonia. I said, &quot;No, not this pain, Very different, only there when I lie down, very localized and deep, not that I&#039;ve ever had pneumonia.&quot;  Tests were run, then doctor in a scolding tone: &quot;Do you realize that you have a blood clot in the lung, and that you could die any second?&quot; &quot;I answered cheerfully, &quot;That&#039;s what I&#039;ve been saying for the last five hours.&quot; Then the brouhaha: forced onto a gurney (thus causing huge pain), rolled off to room. Blah blah. Everything turned out fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad i found you on Twitter.</p>
<p>I have had two US hospital experiences in my 70 years:</p>
<p>1. On Christmas Eve I had a bursitis attack in both my shoulders. Walk-in private emergency services closed, I went to a hospital. A cortisone shot at that time in the private walk-in service would have cost $25 each. The Emergency room bill came to $1065. Yet the conservatives advocate that we have &#8220;universal health care&#8221; because anyone can go to a non-profit hospital and get care. Then they complain about the cost of health, which is swollen by unnecessary visits to ERs.</p>
<p>2. I had an operation. Went home, got a blood clot in lung. That is, I figured that was the problem, took a shower, called doctor, he agreed and said to get a cab and rush to the emergency room (he had a surgery scheduled). He called to say they should admit me. I went to the desk, gave my name, doctor&#8217;s name, and said I had a blood clot in my lung. Problem: I looked really healthy, no bleeding, felt just fine as long as I did not lie down. Four hours later I was asked, in a sarcastic tone, &#8220;Why are you here?&#8221; I said &#8220;Blood clot in lung.&#8221; The person snorted with skepticism, &#8220;How do you know?&#8221; &#8220;My doctor said so.&#8221; Finally they let me see a doctor, who informed me that I probably just had a touch of pneumonia. I said, &#8220;No, not this pain, Very different, only there when I lie down, very localized and deep, not that I&#8217;ve ever had pneumonia.&#8221;  Tests were run, then doctor in a scolding tone: &#8220;Do you realize that you have a blood clot in the lung, and that you could die any second?&#8221; &#8220;I answered cheerfully, &#8220;That&#8217;s what I&#8217;ve been saying for the last five hours.&#8221; Then the brouhaha: forced onto a gurney (thus causing huge pain), rolled off to room. Blah blah. Everything turned out fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Gingrich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Gingrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 05:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Chaz and Hanyman for your contributions. &quot;To be sure, China’s healthcare system could be improved ... But there’s nothing “harmonious” about the status quo in America’s healthcare system either.&quot; It pains me that some politicians have actually said the US system does not need improving (http://tinyurl.com/yzl8g6u).

Perhaps my article didn&#039;t spend enough time chastising China&#039;s healthcare. I can certainly validate Chaz&#039; description of some medical facilities/services. But my point here is just how ridiculous it is that -- particularly when it comes to the payment scheme -- America&#039;s system shares more in common with China&#039;s system than the system of many post-industrial, developed democratic countries. No more excuses; we need to reform healthcare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Chaz and Hanyman for your contributions. &#8220;To be sure, China’s healthcare system could be improved &#8230; But there’s nothing “harmonious” about the status quo in America’s healthcare system either.&#8221; It pains me that some politicians have actually said the US system does not need improving (<a href="http://tinyurl.com/yzl8g6u)" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/tinyurl.com');">http://tinyurl.com/yzl8g6u)</a>.</p>
<p>Perhaps my article didn&#8217;t spend enough time chastising China&#8217;s healthcare. I can certainly validate Chaz&#8217; description of some medical facilities/services. But my point here is just how ridiculous it is that &#8212; particularly when it comes to the payment scheme &#8212; America&#8217;s system shares more in common with China&#8217;s system than the system of many post-industrial, developed democratic countries. No more excuses; we need to reform healthcare.</p>
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		<title>By: Chaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 02:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you that, by American standards and norms, our system may be broke. Trying to compare the Chinese and American systems, however, is like trying to compare filet mignon wrapped in bacon with cube steak. No matter how broke our system may be, the quality is higher all around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you that, by American standards and norms, our system may be broke. Trying to compare the Chinese and American systems, however, is like trying to compare filet mignon wrapped in bacon with cube steak. No matter how broke our system may be, the quality is higher all around.</p>
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